Haha that meme is too on point. I only just recently started digging deeper into the Beach Boys discography after stupidly dismissing them as dated and kitschy. I was wrong!
I was similar for a while, but when I listened to them a lot I understood the mastery of pop music they had. And the vocal harmonies are just unmatched. Lyrically too they are very good. It seems silly and juvenile at first but you come to understand the depth they had in just being who they were. "Authentic" is an annoyingly overused term now but they really were. "Does what it says on the tin" as the Brits say, and does it the best of anybody.
Plus, ironically, by making happy optimistic music when people think everything has to be so serious to be deep has given their music more staying power than the broody/artsy stuff. I just think it's really cool to unashamedly make happy upbeat art.
Plus, to just say the same thing again (but it's so important!), I really love how happy it all is (not 100%, but the bulk). We need to make it cool again to just enjoy some stuff in life without irony. Like surfing with your friends. Beach Boys are a great antidote to doomerism.
To be fair to The Beatles, they did admit that the Beach Boys were the best band in the world when they were at the top. Kudos to them.
Also, Brian Wilson originally wrote Good Vibrations to be a symphony to the Holy Ghost (hence, that eerie and ghoulish warbling, which sounds like its ripped straight out of Scooby Doo).
You’re right, they did say that and I’d forgotten. I will hat tip certainly. Like I said to my dad in one of these comments I’m mostly joking with a bit of truth in it. Probably just being reactionary about the Beatle worshippers.
Did not know that but hilarious Scooby Doo reference!
Agree on The Beach Boys, my first love in music if I don’t count Elvis when I was eight years old. Disagree on the Beatles. The depth of their catalog alone warrants at least a nod to their talent.
Yeah I get you. I think unfortunately we often read "overrated" as "bad". I can't deny their influence certainly, for one. I think artists that break ground open horizons that others do better later, salient examples of this for me would be Hendrix or Kurt Cobain. I don't really like either that much to be honest, but tons of great music would have never happened without them.
I'm also joking a little bit because the Beatles are a sacred cow, similar to how I would trash talk Miles Davis in school. I pretty much universally enjoy their early, more straightforward rock stuff. The weirder things just don't make sense to me from the distance of decades.
And yes I 100% respect their talent as writers. Especially melodically. Things like "Yesterday" or "Norwegian Wood" will be listened to in hundreds of years because of the strength of the melodies. Plus they were very good harmony singers (but not as good as the Beach Boys).
I'm just putting on a little bit of shtick while saying that not everything they did was beyond reproach.
Honestly I don't hate the Beatles but I pretend like I do because it really upsets people and I'm kind of a troll. But they are definitely very overrated in retrospect. I obviously can't know what it was like at the time, and certainly they were the face of a movement and especially their earlier teeny-bopper rock and roll is quite good (Hold you rhand, 8 days a week, etc), but I think looking back though a of it does not hold up at all. And their more experimental stuff is mostly just junk. Helter Skelter is a banger though. Just ignore all the Manson associations haha.
On the upside, I think the minor key version that A Perfect Circle does is genius. Makes it sound as terrifying as the lyrics actually are. The text describes a dystopian hellscape and so they make it sound that way haha. I actually recommend that interpretation.
Edit: It's also hilarious and still a little scary how many people miss the point in the comments. Although idk if APC meant it the way it comes across 'cause the album is antiwar songs covers. But regardless it comes off hellish, as the lyrics actually are
Haha that meme is too on point. I only just recently started digging deeper into the Beach Boys discography after stupidly dismissing them as dated and kitschy. I was wrong!
I was similar for a while, but when I listened to them a lot I understood the mastery of pop music they had. And the vocal harmonies are just unmatched. Lyrically too they are very good. It seems silly and juvenile at first but you come to understand the depth they had in just being who they were. "Authentic" is an annoyingly overused term now but they really were. "Does what it says on the tin" as the Brits say, and does it the best of anybody.
Plus, ironically, by making happy optimistic music when people think everything has to be so serious to be deep has given their music more staying power than the broody/artsy stuff. I just think it's really cool to unashamedly make happy upbeat art.
Exactly. I find the same joy in that authenticity when I listen to them.
Plus, to just say the same thing again (but it's so important!), I really love how happy it all is (not 100%, but the bulk). We need to make it cool again to just enjoy some stuff in life without irony. Like surfing with your friends. Beach Boys are a great antidote to doomerism.
To be fair to The Beatles, they did admit that the Beach Boys were the best band in the world when they were at the top. Kudos to them.
Also, Brian Wilson originally wrote Good Vibrations to be a symphony to the Holy Ghost (hence, that eerie and ghoulish warbling, which sounds like its ripped straight out of Scooby Doo).
You’re right, they did say that and I’d forgotten. I will hat tip certainly. Like I said to my dad in one of these comments I’m mostly joking with a bit of truth in it. Probably just being reactionary about the Beatle worshippers.
Did not know that but hilarious Scooby Doo reference!
Lol it's totally fair! And I agree with you, by the way––I think the Beach Boys are better.
I saw Christopher Parkening once live in concert during college. Truly an amazing talent.
Whoa, jealous. Yeah it's basically like him and Segovia on the classical guitar Mount Rushmore. Maybe John Williams (not the film composer haha).
I also enjoy Pepe Romero and Ana Vidovic
Agree on The Beach Boys, my first love in music if I don’t count Elvis when I was eight years old. Disagree on the Beatles. The depth of their catalog alone warrants at least a nod to their talent.
Yeah I get you. I think unfortunately we often read "overrated" as "bad". I can't deny their influence certainly, for one. I think artists that break ground open horizons that others do better later, salient examples of this for me would be Hendrix or Kurt Cobain. I don't really like either that much to be honest, but tons of great music would have never happened without them.
I'm also joking a little bit because the Beatles are a sacred cow, similar to how I would trash talk Miles Davis in school. I pretty much universally enjoy their early, more straightforward rock stuff. The weirder things just don't make sense to me from the distance of decades.
And yes I 100% respect their talent as writers. Especially melodically. Things like "Yesterday" or "Norwegian Wood" will be listened to in hundreds of years because of the strength of the melodies. Plus they were very good harmony singers (but not as good as the Beach Boys).
I'm just putting on a little bit of shtick while saying that not everything they did was beyond reproach.
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Honestly I don't hate the Beatles but I pretend like I do because it really upsets people and I'm kind of a troll. But they are definitely very overrated in retrospect. I obviously can't know what it was like at the time, and certainly they were the face of a movement and especially their earlier teeny-bopper rock and roll is quite good (Hold you rhand, 8 days a week, etc), but I think looking back though a of it does not hold up at all. And their more experimental stuff is mostly just junk. Helter Skelter is a banger though. Just ignore all the Manson associations haha.
Pretty much exactly my take haha.
Also "Imagine" is in the running for worst song ever written. Utter garbage. I hate it so much and it terrifies me that people think it is beautiful.
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On the upside, I think the minor key version that A Perfect Circle does is genius. Makes it sound as terrifying as the lyrics actually are. The text describes a dystopian hellscape and so they make it sound that way haha. I actually recommend that interpretation.
it's quite good. here it is if you wanna pull it up or for anybody else reading the comments: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rakape74oNY
Edit: It's also hilarious and still a little scary how many people miss the point in the comments. Although idk if APC meant it the way it comes across 'cause the album is antiwar songs covers. But regardless it comes off hellish, as the lyrics actually are